Sightbox Review – You Could Be Overpaying by $667 / Year!

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In this Sightbox review, you will understand how Sightbox’s subscription costs result in most people overpaying for their contact lenses, sometimes by up to $667.63 / year!

What is Sightbox?

Sightbox is an interesting new up and coming contact lens business. It is unique in that it offers to sell you contact lenses AND services that locate an eye doctor for you, book your appointment, and ‘pay’ for it (using your money, of course).

Sightbox Review - Vision Care Simplified

How Sightbox Works

If you’re already familiar with how Sightbox works, go ahead and skip this section.

Sightbox charges you a monthly fee for 12 months (a subscription), in exchange for several services.

The month fee depends on whether you need spherical or toric contact lenses. For more details regarding their subscription costs, and how they are much higher than the cost of your contact lenses, keep on reading.

Sightbox Review - How It Works

First, Sightbox will make an appointment for you with an eye doctor in your area, or the eye doctor of your choice.

After your appointment(s), when you’ve received your finalized contact lens prescription, you have to send a copy of your prescription to Sightbox. They will then use your contact lens prescription to order contact lenses for you.

They then send you a 1-year supply of contact lenses.

You continue to make your payments for 12 months, after which the entire process repeats itself if you choose to subscribe again for another year.

Why This Business Model?

I was honestly very surprised when I first learned about Sightbox and read over all the content on their website. As I read about them, I kept asking myself ‘why? Why is something like this necessary? What do people gain from this?’. And to tell you the truth, by the end of my research, I still had not found a satisfying answer.

The truth is that Sightbox is not saving contact lens wearers money, nor time. Keep reading to find out just how much money you’re throwing away if you sign up for a Sightbox subscription.

Cost of Sightbox

Alright, now we’re getting into the interesting part, the cost of a Sightbox subscription.

The basic Sightbox subscription costs $39/month and lasts for 1 year.

Sightbox Review - Pricing Normal

Your basic subscription includes:

  • An eye exam and contact lens fitting
  • An annual supply of contact lenses (monthly or bi-weekly)
  • Clear or color contact lenses
  • Spherical, toric or multifocal contact lenses

Your basic subscription does not include:

  • Glasses
  • Any auxiliary tests during your eye exam (visual field test, retinal photographs, OCT, etc.)
  • Daily contact lenses

If you’re interested in daily contact lenses, you have to upgrade to Sightbox’s 1-day lens membership which is $89/month for 1 year. The only difference between the standard membership and the 1-day membership are the type of contact lenses you receive.

Sightbox Review - both pricing

Sightbox Subscription Yearly Total

A standard Sightbox membership costs $468 USD per year ($39 x 12).

A 1-day Sightbox membership costs $1,068 USD per year ($89 x 12).

If you are not intimately familiar with contact lens prices, you might think these prices are sensible. However, I do contact lens price comparisons every week to find the lowest price for every brand, and I can tell you that Sightbox’s prices are not a good deal!

Sightbox Membership: Cost VS Value

Let’s first consider the standard membership. We know that a standard membership costs $468 USD per year. But what is the value of what you get with that membership?

For a Sightbox membership to be worth it, a 1 year supply of contact lenses (monthly or bi-weekly) + your eye exam + your contact lens fitting would have cost more than $468, right? Let’s see how much these things actually cost.

Average Cost of an Eye Exam

The price of an eye exam varies across the country. But in order to do some practical calculations, I’ll use the average cost of an eye exam.

Here is a list of national average eye exam costs according to several sources.

$128 www.nerdwallet.com
 $50 – $250 www.allaboutvision.com
 $85 www.okcopay.com
 $114 www.health.costhelper.com

 

If we take an average of all these national eye exam price averages, we should get a pretty realistic figure for the average cost of an eye exam.

Average Eye Exam Cost = { $128 + [($50 + $250) /2 ] + $85 + $114 } / 4 = $477 / 4 = $119.25

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Les Exam: +    ???
1 Year Supply of Contact Lenses +    ???
Total: =    ???

 

Now that we’ve got the eye exam covered, let’s consider the contact lens exam.

 

Average Cost of a Contact Lens Exam

Here we run into some murky territory because the cost of a contact lens exam can vary depending on the type of contact lenses you wear, and the complexity of your prescription. For example, optometrists tend to charge more for multifocal contact lens exams, as compared to a spherical contact lens exam.

However, Sightbox does not discriminate between those whose contact lens exam would only cost $40 VS those that would cost $100 or more. They are all covered under the basic subscription.

For the purposes of doing some calculations, let’s be generous and use $70 as the average cost of a contact lens exam, even though for the majority of people, it would be closer to the basic $40.

To learn more about the different kinds of contact lens exams, I would suggest this article.

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Les Exam: +  $70.00
1 Year Supply of Contact Lenses: +    ???
Total: =    ???

Now all that’s missing is the cost of a 1 year supply of contact lenses.

Cost of a 1 Year Supply of Contact Lenses

Recall that:

  • A standard Sightbox subscription covers you for a 1 year supply of any brand of monthly or bi-weekly (spherical, toric, multifocal, or color) contact lenses.
  • A 1-day lens Sightbox subscription covers you for a 1 year supply of any brand of daily contacts (spherical, toric, multifocal or color).

Here is a list of all the available brands:

Sightbox Review - All Brands

Obviously, not all of these brands have the same price. A 1-year supply of some brands sells for under $60 USD, while others sell for over $500.

Let’s go through some of the brands and see whether or not Sightbox is a good deal.

Note: All the prices used in the calculations below were taken from my weekly contact lens price comparison table from Sept 28, 2017. For an updated list of prices, click here.

Monthly Contact Lenses

Acuvue Vita

extended wear contact lenses brands - Acuvue Vita

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +  $70.00
1 Year Supply of Acuvue Vita: + $151.16
Total: = $340.41 < $468 Basic Sightbox Membership
Difference: – $127.59

 

You are overspending by $127.59 every year when you order Acuvue Vita through Sightbox

Air Optix Aqua

extended wear contact lenses brands - Air Optix Aqua

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of Air Optix Aqua: +   $59.76
Total: = $249.01 < $468 Basic Sightbox Membership
Difference: – $218.99

 

You are overspending by $218.99 every year when you order Air Optix Aqua through Sightbox

Air Optix for Astigmatism

Air Optix Aqua for Astigmatism New Box

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of Air Optix for Astigmatism: +   $95.76
Total: = $285.01 < $468 Basic Sightbox Membership
Difference: – $182.99

 

You are overspending by $182.99 every year when you order Air Optix for Astigmatism through Sightbox

Air Optix Night & Day

extended wear contact lenses brands - Air Optix Night&Day Aqua

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of Air Optix Night & Day: +   $119.76
Total: = $309.31 < $468 Basic Sightbox Membership
Difference: – $158.96

 

You are overspending by $158.96 every year when you order Air Optix Night & Day through Sightbox

Biofinity

extended wear contact lenses brands - Biofinity

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of Biofinity: +   $78.32
Total: = $267.57 < $468 Basic Sightbox Membership
Difference: – $200.43

 

You are overspending by $200.43 every year when you order Biofinity through Sightbox

Biofinity Toric

Biofinity Toric

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of Biofinity Toric: + $126.00
Total: = $315.25 < $468 Basic Sightbox Membership
Difference: – $152.75

 

You are overspending by $152.75 every year when you order Biofinity Toric through Sightbox

Biofinity XR

Biofinity XR

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of Biofinity XR: + $169.16
Total: = $358.41 < $468 Basic Sightbox Membership
Difference: – $109.59

 

You are overspending by $109.59 every year when you order Biofinity XR through Sightbox

Proclear

Cheap Monthly Contact Lenses - Proclear Compatilbles box at Lens

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of Proclear: + $51.76
Total: = $241.01 < $468 Basic Sightbox Membership
Difference: – $226.99

 

You are overspending by $226.99 every year when you order Proclear through Sightbox

Proclear Toric

Proclear Toric

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of Proclear Toric: + $124.72
Total: = $313.97 < $468 Basic Sightbox Membership
Difference: – $154.03

 

You are overspending by $154.03 every year when you order Proclear Toric through Sightbox

Purevision 2 HD

extended wear contact lenses brands - PureVision2

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of Purevision 2 HD: +   $79.00
Total: = $268.25 < $468 Basic Sightbox Membership
Difference: – $199.75

 

You are overspending by $199.75 every year when you order Purevision 2 HD through Sightbox

ULTRA

extended wear contact lenses brands - Bausch + Lomb ULTRA

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of ULTRA: + $119.80
Total: = $309.05 < $468 Basic Sightbox Membership
Difference: – $158.95

 

You are overspending by $158.95 every year when you order ULTRA through Sightbox

ULTRA for Presbyopia

ULTRA for Presbyopia

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of ULTRA for Presbyopia: + $223.44
Total: = $412.69 < $468 Basic Sightbox Membership
Difference: – $55.31

 

You are overspending by $55.31 every year when you order ULTRA for Presbyopia through Sightbox

Bi-Weekly Contact Lenses

Acuvue Oasys

extended wear contact lenses brands - Acuvue Oasys

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of Acuvue Oasys: + $128.30
Total: = $317.55 < $468 Basic Sightbox Membership
Difference: – $150.45

 

You are overspending by $150.45 every year when you order Acuvue Oasys through Sightbox

Acuvue Oasys for Astigmatism

Acuvue Oasys Astigmatism Price Comparison - Acuvue Oasys Astigmatism box

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of Acuvue Oasys for Astigmatism: + $185.60
Total: = $374.85 < $468 Basic Sightbox Membership
Difference: – $93.15

 

You are overspending by $93.15 every year when you order Acuvue Oasys for Astigmatism through Sightbox

Biomedics Toric

Biomedics Toric

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of Biomedic Toric: +   $99.80
Total: = $289.05 < $468 Basic Sightbox Membership
Difference: – $178.95

 

You are overspending by $178.95 every year when you order Biomedic Toric through Sightbox

Color Contact Lenses

Freshlook Colorblends

Freshlook Colorblends

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of Freshlook Colorblend: + $263.84
Total: = $453.09 < $468 Basic Sightbox Membership
Difference: – $14.91

 

You are overspending by $14.91 every year when you order Freshlook Colorblend through Sightbox

Air Optix Colors

air optix colors

 

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of Air Optix Colors: + $240.96
Total: = $430.21 < $468 Basic Sightbox Membership
Difference: – $37.79

 

You are overspending by $37.79 every year when you order Air Optix Colors through Sightbox

You can see from the cost analysis above that no matter what brand you are prescribed, you can get your eye exam, contact lens exam and a 1-year supply of your contact lenses for less than the cost of year standard Sightbox membership.

For some of the more expensive brands (Freshlook Colorblends, Air Optix Colors), the cost is almost equal, but for the extremely common brands (Air Optix Aqua, Biofinity, Acuvue Oasys, PureVision, etc.) you are overpaying by over $200 for the year!

Now let’s examine what happens when you upgrade to Sightbox’s 1-day contact lens membership.

Daily Contact Lenses

Dailies AquaComfort Plus

Least Expensive Contact Lenses Dailies AquaComfort Plus

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of Dailies AquaComfort Plus: + $239.52
Total: = $428.77 < $1,068 Daily Contacts Sightbox Membership
Difference: – $639.23

 

You are overspending by $639.23 every year when you order Dailies AquaComfort Plus through Sightbox

Dailies AquaComfort Plus Toric

Dailies AquaComfort Plus Toric

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of Dailies AquaComfort Plus Toric: + $473.92
Total: = $663.17 < $1,068 Daily Contacts Sightbox Membership
Difference: – $404.83

 

You are overspending by $404.83 every year when you order Dailies AquaComfort Plus Toric through Sightbox

Focus Dailies

Focus Dailies

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of Focus Dailies: + $215.44
Total: = $404.69 < $1,068 Daily Contacts Sightbox Membership
Difference: – $663.31

 

You are overspending by $663.31 every year when you order Focus Dailies through Sightbox

Dailies TOTAL1

Dailies TOTAL1

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of Dailies TOAL1: + $511.84
Total: = $701.09 < $1,068 Daily Contacts Sightbox Membership
Difference: – $366.91

 

You are overspending by $366.91 every year when you order Dailies TOTAL1 through Sightbox

Acuvue 1-Day Moist

Acuvue 1-Day Moist

 

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of Acuvue 1-Day Moist: + $326.72
Total: = $515.97 < $1,068 Daily Contacts Sightbox Membership
Difference: – $552.03

 

You are overspending by $552.03 every year when you order Acuvue 1-Day Moist through Sightbox

Acuvue 1-Day Moist for Astigmatism

1-Day Acuvue Moist for Astigmatism

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of Acuvue 1-Day Moist for Astigmatism: + $487.60
Total: = $676.85 < $1,068 Daily Contacts Sightbox Membership
Difference: -$391.15

 

You are overspending by $391.15 every year when you order Acuvue 1-Day Moist for Astigmatism through Sightbox

Acuvue TruEye

Acuvue TruEye

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of TruEye: + $439.52
Total: = $628.77 < $1,068 Daily Contacts Sightbox Membership
Difference: -$439.23

 

You are overspending by $439.23 every year when you order Acuvue TruEye through Sightbox

Acuvue Oasys 1-Day

Acuvue Oasys 1 day

 

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of Acuvue Oasys 1-Day: + $514.80
Total: = $704.05 < $1,068 Daily Contacts Sightbox Membership
Difference: -$363.95

 

You are overspending by $363.95 every year when you order Acuvue Oasys 1-Day through Sightbox

Acuvue 1-Day Define

Acuvue 1-Day Define

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of Acuvue 1-Day Define: + $498.72
Total: = $687.97 < $1,068 Daily Contacts Sightbox Membership
Difference: -$380.03

 

You are overspending by $380.03 every year when you order Acuvue 1-Day Define through Sightbox

Proclear 1-Day

Proclear 1 day 90 pack

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of Proclear 1-Day: + $231.52
Total: = $420.77 < $1,068 Daily Contacts Sightbox Membership
Difference: -$647.23

 

You are overspending by $647.23 every year when you order Proclear 1-Day through Sightbox

Clariti 1-Day

clariti 1 day 90 pack

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of Clariti 1-Day: + $400.00
Total: = $589.25 < $1,068 Daily Contacts Sightbox Membership
Difference: -$478.75

 

You are overspending by $478.75 every year when you order Clariti 1-Day through Sightbox

Biotrue ONEday

Biotrue ONEday 90-pack

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of Biotrue ONEday: + $279.52
Total: = $468.77 < $1,068 Daily Contacts Sightbox Membership
Difference: -$599.23

 

You are overspending by $599.23 every year when you order Biotrue ONEday through Sightbox

Soflens Daily Disposable

Soflens Daily Disposable 90 pack

 

Average Eye Exam:    $119.25
Average Contact Lens Exam: +   $70.00
1 Year Supply of Soflens Daily Disposable: + $211.12
Total: = $400.37 < $1,068 Daily Contacts Sightbox Membership
Difference: -$667.63

 

You are overspending by $667.63 every year when you order Soflens Daily Disposable through Sightbox

I don’t like to use the word ‘scam’ lightly, but when you’re being charged close to $700 MORE than what you’re getting actually costs, the word definitely comes to mind. At best, you’re getting ripped off pretty badly on certain brands.

Even with the more expensive high-end premium daily contact lens brands (Dailies TOTAL1, Acuvue Oasys 1-Day, Acuvue 1-Day Define), Sightbox costs over $350 MORE than what you would pay by arranging your own eye exam and purchasing your contacts online (at the lowest price by consulting Contacts Advice).

Advantage of a Sightbox Membership

So far in this Sightbox Review, you have seen just how absurd their prices are, especially for daily contact lenses and the common monthly and bi-weekly brands. So what advantages are there to Sightbox?

Spreading Out The CostSightbox Review - payment plan

The one good thing about getting a Sightbox membership is that you split up the cost of your eye exam a 1-year supply of contact lenses into smaller monthly payments.

For certain brands where the cost of the of the Sightbox membership is not astronomically higher than the value of your eye exams and contact lenses, this can be pretty convenient.

Of course, there is another way to split the cost of contact lenses throughout the year, and that’s to just purchase smaller supplies at a time (buy 4 3-month supplies instead of a single 1-year supply). You may lose out on some volume discounts but you’ll still stay well below the cost of a yearly Sightbox subscription.

Make Things Less Complicated?

Sightbox’s motto is “Vision Care. Simplified.” so you would think that somewhere along the way they would simplify your life.

Before you receive your contact lenses, Sightbox will find you an eye doctor, book your appointment, and pay for your eye exam on your behalf. This is almost guaranteed to create more problems than it solves.

Finding an Eye Doctor For You

Most people already have an eye doctor and wish to continue seeing that doctor given that they possess all of your previous eye health information. Knowing the history of your eyes puts them in the best position to care to care for your eyes. Since Sightbox charges you to find an eye doctor for you (whether they actually do or not), when you request to use your own eye doctor, you’re paying for a service that you don’t need and aren’t getting.

If you don’t already have an eye doctor, then Sightbox will do it for you. If you are comfortable with someone else choosing an eye doctor for you and paying them to do it, then that is fine.

Booking Your Appointment

Here’s where the real headaches start.Sightbox Review - Book Appointment

In order for Sightbox to book an appointment that you can actually make, they need to know your schedule. They can only know your schedule if you provide it to them, which you have to do. So right off the bat, the process is not completely hands off. Instead of spending the time to call your eye doctor’s office, you have to spend time providing Sightbox with a detailed list of all the times you’re available for your appointment.

But laying out your detailed schedule to Sightbox will not guarantee that you’ll get the appointment you’re looking for because it also depends on what availabilities the eye doctor has. It is highly unlikely that Sightbox will be able to find an appointment slot that perfectly matches one of your available times.

This then beings a lengthy and complicated back and forth process between you and Sightbox, and Sightbox and the eye doctor’s office. The most efficient way of booking an eye exam is obviously to communicate directly with your eye doctor’s office rather than going through a third party.

Paying for Your Eye Exam

When you sign up for either Sightbox membership, they will call your eye doctor’s office shortly before you arrive and pay for your exam over the phone.

It may seem like you’re saving a lot of money by not having to pay for your appointment, but if you add up the total of your monthly payments to Sightbox, by the end of the year you will end up paying a lot more than if you had just paid for you eye exam up front.

Also, keep in mind that Sightbox does not pay for several tests which may be required of you to do during your eye exam. These are diagnostic tests such as retinal photos, OCT (retinal scan), corneal topography, corneal thickness, visual field test, etc.

Disadvantage of a Sightbox Membership

The disadvantages have mostly all been pointed out elsewhere in this Sightbox review, but I’ll do a quick summary here.

The Headache

The complications that come with hiring someone else to book your eye exam appointment.

The Cost

Compared to the actual cost of eye exams and contact lenses, Sightbox can cost you up to $650 MORE than what you could be paying.

Summary

In reality, Sightbox doesn’t really simplify vision care. It just allows you to pay for it in installments, in exchange for doing a few things that would be easier done yourself, and in the end, charging you hundreds more than you actually need to be spending.

The better way to simplify your life is to buy your contact lenses at the lowest possible price. That will save you hundreds of dollars per year that you can spend on your family and friends.

Finding the lowest price for contact lenses has never been easier. Simply consult Contacts Advice’s homepage, where the lowest price for every brand it listed and updated weekly for your convenience.

Lowest Contact Lens Prices Online

If you have experience with Sightbox, I would love to hear about it. Share your experience int he comments below!

 

6 Responses

  1. Pamela
    | Reply

    Where are you finding these contact lenses that cheap?

  2. Nicole BUTLER
    | Reply

    Thank you for the review. I’m no longer on the fence about how it all works. I was quite sure that it was just to good to be true.????

    • Julie
      | Reply

      Hi Nicole, I’m glad you found the information helpful :)
      In spite of all the new contact lens subscription services popping up these days, the best way to save on contact lenses remains to find the lowest possible price for your brand. That’s what I help you with here at Contacts Advice. If you head over to Contact’s Advice’s homepage, you will see where the lowest price is for all contact lens brands. Just find the brand you’ve been prescribed, head over to the corresponding site, and you’ll be saving lots of money!

  3. Jeffrey Muniz
    | Reply

    Umm WRONG! You are way off on your math! For example ( I used the numbers from YOUR chart) Air Optix Auqa the 2nd lense on your list Come in a 6pk. So 1 box= 6 lenses good for 1 month. 1 box= 6 months for 1 eye. Need 2 boxes per eye for a year long supply. According to your price list (and I did triple check other sources to make sure the price was correct) 1 box= $59.99 x 2 boxes per year =$119.98 x 2 sets, 1 for each eye= $239.96 per year not $59.99 per year. $239.96 + $70 (contact fitting) + $119.25 (eye exam)= $429.95. SB member ship $468 a year. So Member ship cost $40 more and so what’s the benefit you might ask? 1. Many people including myself can not afford to pay $119(exam)+$70(fitting)+$119.25(lenses) up front. That is a big chunk that SB allows people to pay over the year. 2. Convince. I don’t have to worry about forgetting to order or buy a box every 6 months and I don’t have to go to the store to receive them as they are shipped automatically to people every month. So your comparison is uninformed at best. When creating information for people who really on sites just like this to make informed decisions, please know what you are talking about and have the info peer reviewd before putting it online. Would also be great to list sources as well so that folks can make sure your information is accurate!

    • Julie
      | Reply

      Hi Jeffrey! Thanks for taking the time to right this response to my article. I take very seriously the accuracy of what I write so I was happy to look into the math. After doing so, I still stand behind my numbers 100%.

      You see, the fact that you are so incredulous about my math just goes to show how important a site like ContactsAdvice.com is. You must have looked at the figure I used for a 1-year supply of Air Optix Aqua ($59.76) and assumed that it could not possibly be correct. But it is! That is, IF you know where to find the lowest price for every brand, which I do, because I do the price research and make it public for everybody to see.

      Proof:
      Screenshot of the price of a 6-pack of Air Optix Aqua at Lens.com

      For where to find the lowest price for every brand of contact lenses, you can always visit ContactsAdvice.com

      Thanks for reading!

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